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Difference between trainig course and certificate course Oskarstz 3/30/2011
Hi,
I am wondering what is the difference between Infrared Electrical Inspection Training and level 1 certification. I have a diploma of infrared EIT(not level 1).
My job is to do infrared electrical inspections with FLIR camera. Is this training diploma for worldwide or it is necessary to pass level 1? What are the advantages of Infrared Electrical Inspection Training besides experience of course.
 
Re:Difference between trainig course and certificate course IRJay 3/30/2011
Certifaction training meets or exceeds the curriculum per CP-105 of the ASNT. The training also is guided by the SNT-TC-1A. By meeting these guidelines the training can issue certifaction for the appropriate level.

A 2 day application class provides some of the curriculum but the focus is on one application such as electrical. The course is not intended to fulfill any ASNT certifaction guidance. The purpose is to relate material very specifically to solve one set of application knowledge.
 
Re:Difference between trainig course and certificate course TDLIR 3/30/2011
Good question. And the answer is not an easy one.

Firstly, what you have to find out is what certification scheme or standard and recommended practice is required in your area and for your industry? You may be surprised that you may not require certification for IR in your area.

Training and certification are 2 very different things and should be thought of as 2 different entities. Just because you got training and got a certificate, does not mean you are certified. Also just because you did a “Certification” course, does not mean that you are certified.

There are many certifications for IR out there and in my opinion all are fine as long as it meets your requirements as well as the requirements of your customer. I personally prefer a qualified thermographer over a certified thermographer any day. There are many “Certified” thermographers who do not know anything about doing thermography.

Now back to certification… The most widely used and most misunderstood certification scheme is the American Society for Nondestructive Testing (ASNT) recommended practice document SNT-TC-1A. This is a preferred certification scheme for many customers, and countries as well as codes and standards.

With SNT-TC-1A certification scheme it is ONLY your employer who can certify you. There is no such thing as the center you received your IR training to certify you. No matter where you have gone (ITC, Snell, Infraspection, AIT, etc…). That is because the IR training center you went to is NOT your employer. Your company is your employer. So to get certified according to SNT-TC-1A you must establish and approve a “Written Practice” document and policy within your company. This written practice will list the rules and requirements for certification of thermographers in your company. It can be for NDT or for Pdm.

So to get back to your question about your IR training course you did. You did what is referred to within the training centers an Electrical “Application” course. It is NOT an IR course that covers ALL of the recommended topics identified in the ASNT documents for certification. However this does not mean you cannot be certified either Level 1 or Level 2 with only the Electrical Applications IR training course. According to SNT-TC-1A, you can surely be certified to Level 1 or Level 2 status for your company with only this training. Just as long as it is stated in your written practice document. And also that it is accepted by your customers. There are also provisions for Limited certification within SNT-TC-1A. So you can be a Level 2 Thermal Infrared thermographer limited to only electrical application.

That is one of the benefits of the SNT-TC-1A scheme; you need only be trained and qualified on the application and body of knowledge required for your company. If you will not be inspecting motors or refractory or insulation, then there is no need to be trained in this or be tested in this. You can adjust the recommended requirements to suit your company’s and customers’ needs. But should your application be expanded, you will then have to revise your policies.

Now, IR training centers will classify their training course by “certification” courses and “Application” courses. All this means is that the “Certification” courses meet all the training requirements set forth by most standards and recommended practices. So if you complete their “certification” courses, you will meet all these training requirements. Also some IR training centers may also offer you their “Brand” of certification. This is fine also, as long as you know what is needed for you and your customers. You may need to be certified via different schemes in order to meet all your clients’ requirements if there are any.

If it is one thing that I am familiar with is qualification and certification of NDT and Pdm personnel. This is what I do for a living and I have been doing this for many years. You will be surprised how many people do not understand NDT or Pdm certification. Even many inspectors and engineers who have been in this field for decades still do not understand all of this. It is a topic that is usually ignored until it becomes a necessity because of a law suit or bidding on a contract or an important audit. By that time it is too late. Certification takes time and dedication.

Hope this helps.

Sonny James
www.learnndt.com
www.tdlir.com
www.infraredclinic.com
 
Re:Difference between trainig course and certificate course TDLIR 3/30/2011
IRJay wrote:
ction training meets or exceeds the curriculum per CP-105 of the ASNT. The training also is guided by the SNT-TC-1A. By meeting these guidelines the training can issue certifaction for the appropriate level.

A 2 day application class provides some of the curriculum but the focus is on one application such as electrical. The course is not intended to fulfill any ASNT certifaction guidance. The purpose is to relate material very specifically to solve one set of application knowledge.
IRJAY you are somewhat correct. But the following statements are not "fully" correct:

"By meeting these guidelines the training can issue certifaction for the appropriate level"

- The training Cannot issue certification that relates to SNT-TC-1A, until it is addressed properly in the company's written practice.

"The course is not intended to fulfill any ASNT certifaction guidance. The purpose is to relate material very specifically to solve one set of application knowledge."

- SNT-TC-1A is made exactly for this purpose... For companies to qualify and certify their inspectors to their specific applications and needs.

The SNT-TC-1A document is a guidline only. It is Not to be used as a strict set of rules. It should be used to create your own written practice and address your company's own unique requirments for NDT and Pdm qualification and certification.

Again, certification is not a simple matter that can be explained in a few paragraphs. But this is great that discussion such as this can be made so that more and more people are awair of the many missconceptions out there.

Hope this helps.

Best Regards,

Sonny James
www.learnndt.com
www.tdlir.com
www.infraredclinic.com
 


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